The other day Ivan Okhlobystin turned 51 years old. We visited him at the dacha, where Ivan Ivanovich is now writing a new book.
Photo: Daria BUKHAROVAThey caught the writer, who had given up acting, doing everyday chores: Okhlobystin, with his heirs Vasya and Savva, were unloading firewood. The sons worked together and resignedly released their father to record an interview for the TV program magazine.
"We can't live in peace"
- Ivan, you are now writing books, raising children. You shoot infrequently, but scripts, on the contrary, are sent often, right?
- …AND for the most part these scenarios are not interesting. Cinema is in the power of dilettantes now, unfortunately. Countless producers after reading three Dostoyevsky novels and watching two Francis Ford Coppola films think they know everything. They dictate taste, and there's nothing you can do about it. And I don't really want to be under this yoke. I am not a burden to others, but I live and work for my own pleasure.
- If countless Russian TV shows are being filmed, then they are watching - demand creates supply.
- Here, of course, you can not blame human culture. It's just such a paradox of the appearance on the market of new information technologies. Those who want can now watch high-quality movies - on the Internet.
Photo: Daria BUKHAROVA
“Now some people get education online or often in absentia, not trying to lose five years. Now experience comes first, not crust. You can graduate from drama school, but never act in films or sit at the checkout in a supermarket with a diploma in economics. Do you and your wife explain to your children that you need to get a diploma, or do you not insist?
- We must strive for education - life is short, and we must try to pass on the maximum to our children. The child must be properly motivated to strive to learn. By purchasing higher education, children do not always acquire knowledge - you can remain a fool even after receiving a diploma. The child falls under the influence of standards in the area that he masters, gets acquainted with literature, music, which is interesting to his circle of like-minded people. The most important thing is that the same students are around him, and the child acquires a sphere of communication. This is called "egregor" in science - an environment like a beehive in which you will be for the rest of your life, surrounded by people of your mentality.
- This year, your daughter, a graduate Varya, chose a medical university for admission. Was it her choice or did you and your wife advise?
- Varya chose the Faculty of Medicine, this is her personal choice, she has been studying biology for a long time. We do not put pressure on children, they know that my mother and I value their respect too much to become a hindrance.
- Your dad was a doctor, it turns out that Varvara has a hereditary craving for medicine?
“I don’t know, because no clinical conclusions can be given. May be. But I think it was something else. We are surrounded by many doctors - good audience, our old man's hangout. They are also blues singers. And, willy-nilly, Varya was fascinated by them. Then she always liked to study biology. It happens that you have to immerse yourself in some objects by force, and some are read like poetry. Literature was good for me, I loved to read, I watched a lot of movies. Despite the fact that he lived in the village, we had a very sophisticated projectionist Uncle Borya. He went to the base for trophy ribbons. The most frequent movie in my childhood (you will laugh!) is " remarriage with Jean-Paul Belmondo. At the same time, we watched It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, Some Like It Hot, films with Marlene Dietrich ...
- In your footsteps, none of the children have gone to VGIK yet. In which of the heirs is an artistic nature noticeable?
- Varya likes to sing, but she watched the hectic world of show business and realized that she did not want to depend on it, but she likes to create. Therefore, at the age of 18, Varya correctly argues: the earthly profession of a doctor will not interfere with vocals. Evdokia is of the same opinion. She is 19 years old, she plays the electric guitar with us and studies as an ornithologist - she likes birds. Nyusha writes well, but she is drawn to gothic. At the age of 15, she is a girl of the XXXIII century - she does only what she wants, but easily makes sacrifices - she went to study music in company with her younger brother. Vasya writes periodically at the age of 16, and the older he gets, the closer we are with him - he “devours” bags of new books, goes to shooting and boxing. Savva is still small - he is 11 years old, but he is also trying to write something. The eldest Anfisa is 20 years old, she received the profession of a marketer, she works with pleasure in her specialty - she organizes events ... All children are very different.
Ivan Okhlobystin with children, wife Oksana (right) and priest Father Ephraim. photo: Personal archive Do your older daughters live with you?
Until we get married, we live together. Big family is happiness, the opportunity to watch the birth of an entire civilization. Each of them, God willing, will have families, and I will have grandchildren. We are ready for anxiety, we do not know how to live in peace with Oksanka. As soon as peace happens, it means that everything is bad: you have to go somewhere, do something, fix things.
- Savva said that even during the holidays he does not forget to do mathematics and read. Are you strict parents?
- I am mostly in the reserve and I am brought in by Oksanka when necessary, when the war: deuces are received, I forgot the shores, or something like that happens. Oksanka teaches lessons with them, and is aware of everything that happens - in school, personal life, they trust her very much. For the sake of the children, she learned notes and English, pulls them up in all subjects, and my principle in studying is primitive - the main thing is to have fives. She is such a mother - damp earth, and I - a distant homeland. I am a breadwinner, I try to travel wherever possible with my family, because memories are the main thing that you can give. My children and I have traveled half the world, we go to the mountains, it’s a sin for them to complain.
- It happens that children come up to their father, ask for advice?
- It looks different. Suppose I am lying in a room, one of the daughters comes, impudently lies down, pushing me from my favorite place. I mumble something, and she tells how cunningly she decided to act, which means that she asks my opinion in such a veiled way. And I, allegedly reluctantly, share possible options, experiences.
Okhlobystin has two sons, both of whom are already trying to write stories. Photo: Personal archive - You always have one of the children a transitional age. Is it difficult?
- It is difficult, the child has a whole biochemical explosion, and nothing can be done, they are pathological liars at this time, they are trying to do the opposite, they are interested in the reaction of others. Teenage children do not yet have pain experience, so they are not afraid to touch life. Yes, they do not particularly conflict, they see that we are such collective farmers that we do not need to be persuaded, we are ready to delve into the situation. But over time, since our environment is comfortable, they adequately go through this period, thank God. And we have good company, and children, all come to us.
- Do not worry about how children will cope with independent life?
- In everyday, everyday terms, I don’t worry - they themselves will get out of any difficult situation Yes, ten more people will be saved from the flood. Of course, I understand that difficulties in relationships await everyone - falling in love, disappointment ... But I also don’t worry, because the samurai Orthodox component will help - Oksanka and the children observe fasts, take communion, our sons serve as altar servers in the temple of Sophia the Wisdom of God.
- Your wife is constantly in trouble, taking care of the house and children.
“I put a lot of weight on her shoulders, but she manages. If not for Oksana, I would have died long ago.
In Okhlobystin's study, as in the whole house, there is wooden furniture. Ivan writes on a laptop. Photo: Daria BUKHAROVA - Do the children help their mother?
- Of course, we have a schedule of housekeeping duties hanging on our refrigerator - who cleans where when.
"We are Tushino punks"
— I know that you criticize the USE. What are the disadvantages of this system of certification of children?
- She's vicious. I understand that at the dawn of the 90s, this system was given to the Ministry of Education, because it is diversified. Apparently, there were gigantic financial injections. But this is a biased test of children. Academic knowledge implies the consistent study of one subject. Here there is no such thing. There is a sample here that is available to everyone - anyone can memorize the answer to the question. Children so simply train memory, but do not acquire knowledge. Good teacher— the one that explains, and the brilliant — the one that inspires. Previously, academic education developed the child simultaneously in all spectrums. human activity. We didn't have the hassle of memorization because we relied on the objective judgment of the examination committee. Suppose you were taught by a mathematician, and you messed up in the exam - due to lack of sleep, a sick stomach ... Yes, anything can happen! But your teacher knows that you know the subject. They gave me the opportunity to improve. Therefore, there was a more objective picture. And now everything is different: the shortfall in points means a catastrophe for many. Talented children who are unlucky with the Unified State Examination, and their parents do not have money to pay for admission to a university, are forced to choose the specialty that they pass with their scores.
- Did you easily enter VGIK? Now the competition there is 200 people per place.
And then there was a wild competition! There was something like that - there is always a high competition. I acted unexpectedly easily, but I was a hardworking lad. Passed creative exams- He sent two stories, a script, then we wrote an essay. The only mystery for me so far: how I managed, being by nature a pathologically illiterate person, to write an essay for five. I was amazed: probably nervous ground... But, most likely, the dear lady who took the exam was struck by the depth of youthful thought. Outwardly, I was very unattractive, so only the internal components could help me.
Okhlobystin says that younger son Savva is very similar to him: "The same prankster." But when firewood was brought to the family during our shooting, it turned out that Savva was also the first assistant. Photo: Daria BUKHAROVA - That is, you went to study as a director without any patronage?
— Absolutely. Our family was not represented in this market segment.
— Were you a fashion student?
I was more of a humorous character. My classmate and comrade Fedya Bondarchuk remembers me as still fashionable to the point of savagery: as if I acted in a Tyrolean hat with a feather, with a hunting bag on which a duck was drawn. And there was no hat!
- Are you on small homeland- in Maloyaroslavets?
- I used to go all the time, now I go less and less. A brother, grandmother, great-grandmother are buried there. A wonderful young priest Father John serves in those parts. He buried my dead brother. Father John commemorates my brother all the time, looks after the graves of my relatives. We became friends with him and his mother Fotinya. A wonderful family, they come to visit us in Moscow. They prepare endlessly delicious Ivan tea - they constantly send it to us in pillowcases. Now the young clergy are mobile, very different from what it was before. Priests are intelligent, cheerful, enlightened people.
— You say that you are going to return to the church soon. Would you like to serve in Moscow?
- We'll see how it goes. I really hope that in Moscow. I would like to be closer to the children. If you have to leave, then the heart will be restless. And there - as God sends.
- You decided to quit cinema, do you only plan to write?
- By September, I hope to finish the book under the working title " Inevitable Circumstances". I doubt that I will be in time, because a lot of economic affairs have piled up, but I will try.
- Evgeny Vodolazkin, "Laurel"
- Aleksey Ivanov, "Heart of Parma", "Gold of Riot" and other works
- Edward Rutherford, "New York"
- Mikhail Elizarov, "Cartoons"
- Vladimir Sharov, "Return to Egypt"
- Salman Rushdie, "The Florentine Enchantress" and other works
- Zakhar Prilepin. “I advise this author to read any works, because he does not write, but lives in literature,” says Okhlobystin.
Do you write at night?
- Until four in the morning. I get up no later than 11. Lying in bed longer is uncomfortable, and, frankly, I can’t sleep.
- How did your book "Songs of the Constellation of the Hounds of the Dogs" sell?
There have already been four editions. Now the 4th edition is sold out, thank God.
- What does the writer Ivan Okhlobystin need in his dacha for inspiration?
Only will. Because thousands of factors are distracting - drink tea, go see what tinkled there ... You have to force yourself to work, to improve. Man is such a talented being that he can learn anything. I do not believe that a person can not know something.
- But what about cinema? Are you not filming anymore?
- I'm more interested now writing activity. I am busy doing what I love, I have more free time, so my wife and I can plan trips, hikes, ride bikes. While you're making money, life can pass you by. Perhaps in the future, having received an offer to act in a good movie with good money, I will agree. I was among people too much, went through communication. At the same time, I love people, involuntarily compare them with myself and understand to what extent I am imperfect. In 5.5 years, my colleagues at the Interns have become practically relatives to me: Svetka Permyakova, Sanka Ilyin, Ilyukha Glinnikov ... I admire them!
- Fees for books are much less than in the movies. Can you manage without movie money?
- We are Tushino punks, and during the period of lack of money, Oksanka and I lived just as well and comfortably as later, when money appeared. We just began to allow ourselves a little more, we distributed debts. I think life always compensates: if one is, then the other is not. You need to treat it right. No need to complain, you need to try to get the most out of what the Lord gives us. We happy people- We are alive and well, so it's a sin to complain.
Private bussiness
Ivan Okhlobystin was born on July 22, 1966 in the Polenovo rest house, where his father worked (Zaoksky district Tula region). Graduated from the directing faculty of VGIK. The first picture of Okhlobystin-director "Arbiter" in 1991 won at the "Kinotavr" in the nomination "Films for the Chosen". He starred in more than 40 films, was a screenwriter for 25 films. In 2001 he was ordained a priest. He served in the Tashkent diocese, then - in the Moscow church of St. Nicholas and in the church of Sophia the Wisdom of God. In 2010, Patriarch Kirill, at the request of Okhlobystin, temporarily released him from the priesthood. Wife - actress Oksana Arbuzova. The couple have six children: 20-year-old Anfisa, 19-year-old Evdokia, 18-year-old Varvara, 16-year-old Vasily, 15-year-old Joanna and 11-year-old Savva.
Ivan Okhlobystin presented his book Songs of the Constellation of the Hounds of the Dogs, published by the Eksmo publishing house, in the St. Petersburg book network "Bukvoed". Collection satirical stories, according to Ivan himself, speaks essentially about the eternal - the relationship between a man and a woman, the worldly phantasmagoria around us. In an interview with Tricolor TV Magazine, Okhlobystin spoke not only about the new book, but also about his love for TV shows, mutual understanding between parents and children, the film "Defenders" and serial drunkenness.
Ivan Okhlobystin - film and television actor, film director, screenwriter, playwright, journalist and writer
There were rumors that you decided to radically leave the cinema. Is it true?
That was always the plan. Now girls have entered all institutes. Vaska's son will also soon be enrolled. Household debts seem to be paid off. I won’t say that cinema is flourishing right now. I do not think that I will ennoble the national culture by continuing to work in the cinema. I'm sick of playing sly-eyed spies - empty roles. I have right now good project: dad raises his son with cerebral palsy to his feet (the film "Temporary difficulties" by Mikhail Raskhodnikov. - Ed. ). Great job in order to leave beautifully. I am not originally an actor, I am a director by profession. It won't hurt me deeply. The Perfect Plan such that my studies in literature will allow people to forget me as Dr. Bykov and will make it possible to return to the church.
That is, literature is an intermediate stage in order to finally return to the position of a priest?
No, I can do literature even if I work as a priest. It's not prohibited. Literature shaped me. I am a book person. Although I am rural, I was brought up intellectually by books. I wrote a lot of scripts and journalism. But I always read prose.
You said that your book is about love between a man and a woman. What is the first manifestation of love between a man and a woman?
First of all, it is a sacrifice. Love implies that you give yourself without reserve and shame to another person. And on biological level, and psychological. In everyday terms, in the future and in the present. It is a readiness for total sacrifice. It just can't happen like that. It arises when you feel a resonating soul nearby, similar to you. And it's always mystical. You can not deduce the law, how it can be provoked. It's always a surprise. It can be burlesque, tragedy. There are no laws. People in love are happy. If you live for someone, then for your loved one in the first place.
Ivan Okhlobystin as Dr. Bykov in the TV series "Interns"
Which writers have inspired you?
The set is average. Starting from Alexandra Dumas: The Three Musketeers, The Countess de Monsoro, The Vicomte de Bragelonne. Then Hugo Les Misérables. Then "The Master and Margarita" arrived in time. Then Günther Grass has come. Then appeared Ken Kesey "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" along with the film Jack Nicholson. Then appeared Updike "The Witches of Eastwick" first with the same Jack Nicholson, and then read "Centaurs". He is very similar to Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. Then Richard Bach, Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Then Marquez covered everything that was around with a fat cloud, and defeated everyone.
Marquez was followed by new names in domestic literature:Mikhail Elizarov, Sharov and his "Rehearsal", "Letters from Egypt"(original name "Return to Egypt". - Ed.) . Ivanov "Gold of rebellion". Zakhar Prilepin, the first three works of Pelevin. Turkish author Pamuk. In love with literature Salman Rushdie. I am reading now wonderful person. He is Afghan, very similar to Rushdie. Such an unmixed version of Rushdie - Khaled Hosseini, work "A Thousand Shining Stars" Strugatsky, certainly. Stanislav Lem, Roger Zelazny, Terry Pratchett. From Americans Neil Gaiman Stardust and American Gods.
do you agree with Mikhail Elizarov that now is not the time for postmodernism in literature. That the time has come for prose that would assert very specific traditional moral principles?
Yes, absolutely. My book is also in this academic context. Academic literature always carries a pedagogical element. It would be foolish to read a book where the author does not want to convey anything to you. You are primarily interested in the personality of the author, which appears in the work. The tendency to feuilletonism in order to please the reader immediately kills the author. It seems to me. Pelevin is guilty of this. With such a high level of his talent, he could think about problems of a much higher level. And Elizarov, Prilepin, Sharov - they are pawning it. At the end of the book you willy-nilly receive a certain message.
Ivan Okhlobystin has 17 awards for the best director, 9 for the best acting role and 21 for best screenplay
This is definitely something to come back to. We don't have a basic philosophy. There is only critical, like Berdyaev. Kierkegaard was not born in our country, not because they could not give birth, but because in our country artists took on the option of understanding space and being. We live guided by the vast territories in the mass unconscious. We are not interested in finished forms. We have always been prone to exaggeration, because this is the breadth of our soul, it is motivated by geography.
Speaking about the breadth of the Russian soul, how do you like the film "Defenders"?
"Defenders"- it's a disgrace. Well, why do Medved have pants all the time (we are talking about a blooper, when on the character Arsus in one scene the pants are first torn to pieces, and in the next scene they are put on again. - Ed. ). Even my child noticed it. Unfinished movie. I appreciate the feat of cinematographers, but I would not show this film in order to brag about domestic cinema. I would put a movie "Andrei Rublev", "Mimino" or "White Sun of the Desert". If it's more difficult, then "Unfinished Piece for Mechanical Piano". If it's really difficult, it's possible. "Stalker" Tarkovsky put.
That is, nothing new would be installed?
I can't remember anything. There was some touching melodrama with Fedor Bondarchuk and Ksenia Rappoport (film "Two Days". - Ed.) - this is touching, but this is not a manor drama. It does not reach Ostrovsky. Although cinema is the most powerful agent of influence. Cinema can define the worldview of several generations. The Matrix broke 10-20 generations. And the "Avatar" that followed her finished off. We moved into the new technotronic age also with the help of cinema.
You can often see speculation on arthouse, which is not. I, being in the profession, can understand what is avant-garde and what is an attempt to fake a bad picture for avant-garde. Fighters are a shame, mostly because of low budgets. And low budgets due to theft, kickbacks - what to hide.
Satirical prose by Ivan Okhlobystin about tragicomic adventures ordinary heroes in ordinary cities
But in general, I’m ashamed somehow at the age of 50 to act in all sorts of nonsense, the men won’t understand me anymore. And the book is solid. A friend came, you gave him, signed.
Do you watch series?
I watch serials. The series received a unique technological opportunity to treat the artistic component more carefully than cinema. First, payback TV content. Secondly, there is the time factor. You can watch one episode at a time, or you can watch 50 at once and examine each detail more carefully, evaluate each character - new stories, new conflicts open up. The series beat the movie. Except for blockbusters like Lord of the Rings, Pirates caribbean", "Star Wars". And the rest with serials is uncompetitive. Difficulty finding a competitor Dr House, series "Breaking Bad".
It all started with the series "Lost". When the genre was just emerging, it was all about the soap opera. When technological opportunities arose, filmmakers moved away from popular TV shooting towards art. Moreover, this is the fault of the producers themselves, they resorted to film set with the words: "So, guys, let's take this scene longer for 10 minutes, because then we will cut it into four episodes and sell it to television, at least somehow pay off." As a result, with the same effects, with the same heated actors, more formats were filmed. And the consumer now chooses for himself: either I will look at everything and absorb everything in one day, or I will stretch this pleasure and make it an element of my spiritual feng shui.
How do you usually watch series - at once or one episode a day?
In any way. But in general I am prone to serial drunkenness: I can sit down for a long time. Everyone is yelling at me, but I can't do anything. I sit with red eyes, then I go to work the same way. Thinking about how to get home as soon as possible. Seeds "Ot Martin", lemonade "Tarhun" - and new series!
Ivan Okhlobystin has two sons and four daughters
Are there any Russian series that you like?
I like "Wedding" very much. They took such a spiritual note. What we are allowed to. This is a good sequel. "Love and pigeons". "Kitchen" I haven't looked... In general, I learn about all the good things from my friends. Pro "Matchmakers" I've been told by people who don't come across as sentimental.
Gossip about your children periodically appears on the Internet. Are you trying to shield them from these influences?
They are formed individuals. We can slap on the ass with a belt until a certain age, swear for deuces. Nose early childhood we let them know that we respect their personalities. Therefore, we are forgiven all this, they understand that we just help them through life. And we understand that in many matters we cannot help. In matters of love, self-determination. I cannot impose on my children what to become, whom to love. As a father, I can only laugh and render psychological help. I am very delicate about their personal lives. I understand how thin this yarn is.
You are constantly criticized on the Internet. How do you feel about criticism now?
When they scold unmotivatedly, my eyes do not stick to it. They're just like dogs, guarding the perimeter. When criticism is motivated, I take note. This is a necessary condition for self-improvement.
Are you afraid of criticism from colleagues? Bykov recently said that your cinematic work is overrated.
Well, I don't think it's overrated. Although ... probably, yes. I like Bykov. He is not afraid to speak out, formulates respectfully.
Ivan Okhlobystin and Oksana Arbuzova met by chance. “I saw her at the Cinema House, I recognized her. She had already starred in the film“ Accident - the daughter of a cop. “I then walked by and said:“ You will be mine, ”said the actor. The next meeting took place five years later. Since then, lovers They did not part, and less than a month later they decided to get married and get married.
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Oksana gave Ivan six children - they have two sons and four daughters. Okhlobystin admitted that when the third child was born - Varvara's daughter, they were absolutely exhausted: "We were tired like dogs then, Varya was about three months old. I was looking for work all the time, Oksanka was also exhausted. Varya had asphyxia - Oksana was in the hospital with her for another month, and we almost lost her."
With the fourth child - son Vasily - everything was also not easy. Oksana had to give birth in Tashkent, where Ivan was sent to serve. "When I came to Oksana and said that we should go to Central Asia where I will become a priest, she had only one question: where to get a big suitcase," the actor said.
In the maternity hospital, Oksana was infected with hepatitis. “She was not supposed to live long after that, but she was cured,” said Okhlobystin. They spent seven months in Tashkent, then returned to Moscow. Oksana was rescued in the capital.
Okhlobystin admitted that he and his wife had lost their sixth child. The baby stopped developing in the womb. “It was only two months, it happens. But for us it was terrible, especially for Oksana - she was very worried,” said the artist. Fortunately, in 2006, his wife gave Ivan a son, Savva.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is the Bla Blanchi program. We begin. Olga Danilevich.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Our guest today…
O. DANILEVICH: And this is Katechka stuttering, because we were waiting, waiting, nervous. We waited. Actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest. Temporarily, however, suspended from service, but own will. Ivan Okhlobystin is with us. Hello Ivan.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Hello.
O. DANILEVICH: What a joy.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You know, Ivan is so fashionable. You should have seen. Tanned. With a fashionable hairstyle, in a fashionable T-shirt. Very beautiful. It says on the T-shirt, not in Russian, that Jesus loves Ivan more than all of us. For you to know just in case.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Children dress me. There's nothing to be done. You need to donate.
O. DANILEVICH: What do you mean? You wake up in the morning...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I get up in the morning. The kids don't trust my taste. And since we have to go rollerblading together with them later (and the girls are already married), they picked up approximately, which is good when I arrive. The only thing is that I will change my pants to shorts. And this is how they dressed me.
O. DANILEVICH: What about shorts? At the knees or below?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Knee-deep. I love Thor Steinar, such that they are made of dense fabric, that these cargoes (when the type of pockets are sewn on - this is the style of "cargo" is called) ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: I thought that even in the summer you walk in these boots with flames.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With a flame. They are beautiful. I keep them. I missed them.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It's hot now, it seems to me.
O. DANILEVICH: Are you saving for parishioners?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I hope so. Including. Grannies will miss it.
O. DANILEVICH: You admitted in one interview that at first it scared the grandmothers a little, and then they began to worry when they saw it in the summer.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They were worried when they didn’t wear it: is everything okay with my money ... We had a symphony. An experienced monk told me that if you don’t want one of our occupational diseases (for clergy it’s ...) - to stand on your feet for a long time, to listen to people, somehow it’s not always convenient to sit down. And a stomach ulcer, of course, because the regime is very down.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: During fasting.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Posts are wonderful.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It's like "detox", a buzzword.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is in general. The main thing is not in the post. I ask one, now dead, an old man who lived a really holy life. That is, I am a pragmatic person. I need to touch the miracle with my hands. And I talked to him. Because many things that I could not tell anyone, he said for me. And somehow he convinced me. And he is such a person. It was not his honor. Somehow he arranged it in such a way that I seem to be doing well. Although I didn’t succeed at all there. And I ask him, among other things, making sure that he is a man. In general, he is the seventh heaven. I say: "How to fast?" And we are neophytes, still so vicious, such an Orthodox ISIS.
O. DANILEVICH: What are you talking about here?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Forbidden, it should be with an asterisk.
O. DANILEVICH: A terrorist organization banned in Russia.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He says: "You just switch to bread and water. Everything else will be done for you by pride."
O. DANILEVICH: Wait. How about unleavened bread?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not a chemical process. Fasting is a limitation. It is necessary not to watch a movie in the periodicals that you watch. So that you have time to think a little about internal affairs.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That is, you just reduce everything a little bit.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Ascesis. Beautiful, majestic, courageous asceticism. And everything else is fine.
O. DANILEVICH: Dear listeners, you also have the opportunity to join our conversation. For this you need the following coordinates. Katechka.
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O. DANILEVICH: To announce us.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If you are looking for me, dial Ivan Okhlobystin...
O. DANILEVICH: We will find it. I found you this morning.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Do you manage Instagram yourself, or do you have special trained people?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I treat him, you know, because of the situation - as family album. The network is what will be with us until the end of our humanity, our evolution.
O. DANILEVICH: last photo- This is your wife. I brought this to my attention today. Let's get to the news. This week, the council at the Ministry of Culture called on the Cinema Fund to report publicly on how much money was transferred to them, how much they earned, and how everything is going with the box office. Meanwhile, the fund's expert council recently approved 35 paintings, which will receive money. And among other pictures there is a comedy "Kholop" in which you will play ...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I won't, unfortunately.
O. DANILEVICH: You won't? Why?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't know. No matter how you treat the "Interns", even in a hipster way, even in a fisherman's way ... all the same, for 5.5 years people loved us, they watched us, we really tried. There was a lot of fluff. You know, when humor ends due to fatigue, everything goes into the scrotum. And we fought it. With what they could - they fought. We have achieved that the highest level mass media, when they looked at us like ... You know, there are screensavers - fish on the TV? Here, we have reached the fish. It doesn't matter anymore. A person could walk past the TV - get involved in the situation, not get involved. He was reassured by the very fact that somewhere this life was going on, which he liked, people whom he understood. There are many paradoxes with this.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You are, in fact, like the Friends series, I guess.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. I feel a certain kind a responsibility. Not out of swagger, nothing of the sort. And if you shoot, then star in this ... Do not offend those people who loved me for 5.5 years.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You didn't like the script?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I have a role there ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What did they offer you there?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The role is funny, but there is a lot of swearing. It is too youthful. By the way, the script is good, sorry. But, unfortunately, I can't.
O. DANILEVICH: Interesting. The team is just there ... Why are you talking about "Interns". Because there is a team from the "Interns". Vadim Demchog is filming there.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Do they stay?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't know. I didn't talk to them about this. I found out about this 4 days ago. I read the script - I liked it. Good comedy.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But the role is not.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn't like the role. She is well written. There's a great dude that should have been played. But due to the fact that there are a lot of youth topics, boobs-pussies ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is everything so low? Below the belt humor.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There are elements below the belt. But that's not what the movie is about. Noble in every way. And, then, there will be Porechenkov to act in one of the roles. The entire intern team was assembled. Almost whole. I don't know, Sanya Ilyin will act in film, he won't. He has too good role must be.
O. DANILEVICH: Tell me, but you were initially very skeptical about the Interns. You thought it was soap-soap, and then suddenly changed your mind. So, maybe this will happen with "Kholop" too? Not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here, you understand, like clinical trials. 6 years in fact. And then another two years spin. I don't know if they're spinning now or not. But 2 times a day he drove people into the head like a nail. Wherever I am ... I just haven't seen this person for a long time, but still "hello." Something like this. I have reached that level of symphony with society that it does not bother me.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Pleased.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and not happy. It is natural. As you walk through the village. Whoever it was... A Kyrgyz taxi driver, while we were driving with him, everyone remembered what they could remember. A fifth-grader girl with a nasty little phone that leaves me after a photo of a flash in her eyes ... There's nothing you can do. This is the main audience. And somehow you don't want to...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And “Kholop”, you think, will destroy all this, this love of the people.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Everyone will be forgiven. The fact of the matter is that everyone is forgiven. But I can't let people suffer because of me.
O. DANILEVICH: Listen, this story itself is filmed with exactly the same people with whom we have been side by side for several years. Doesn't get bored?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You get used to it. Like relatives.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if these relatives piss you off, how can…
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I thought that 12 episodes - and that was a lot for me. I thought: well, I wonder how everything is built. I am for myself the whole world opened. This is a completely separate layer that won. And the cinema is now everything ... All these are multiplexes. For now, it's just a matter of habit. All this will go away. All this is decay compared to these long things. A modern person thinks either in tags (that is, he quickly chose), or he needs meditation - so that 100 episodes, so that, like "Game of Thrones", he would know about it, or even not know, he went for tea, but Tanya said. And it is woven into life. This is such a cultural feng shui. Just high technology imperceptibly ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Are you saying that all serials will replace big movies?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course. And the big cinema will remain at the level ... like the Delphic theater, or the kabuki theater, or will depart. Undoubtedly, they will be forced out.
O. DANILEVICH: And the director Ivan Okhlobystin will shoot serials?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Director Ivan Okhlobystin will not pull serials. Because, first of all, I'm not a very good director.
O. DANILEVICH: And the screenwriter?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Screenwriter. I had experience. Take Tarantino, it was a great script. And shit, I'm sorry, the series. Moreover, Gurchenko also starred there. He is very comedy series. And the Polish actor Jerzy Shturman, Budraitis. And a lot of talented guys. But still somehow cardboard-cardboard, not interesting.
O. DANILEVICH: All right. About another movie that hasn't even come out yet, but they're talking about it like this...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They are discussing and discussing. They discuss every day.
O. DANILEVICH: For some films, at least part of this discussion for their own promotion. This is the film "Matilda", of course, by Alexei Uchitel, to which Natalia Poklonskaya, a State Duma deputy, has many claims. And among other things, that this film offends the feelings of believers. You as a clergyman, as an actor, director, screenwriter, as a simple person - which side are you on?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Let's judge how simple a person is. I am on the side of Poklonskaya. Because, firstly, the Teacher is not a fool. If we take all his previous works, they are, as a rule, devoted to the analysis of one or another outstanding personality, be it Bunin ... There, however, the film is not about Bunin, but about two lesbians, if we are serious. He is initially a provocateur on a conceptual and artistic level. He is a good provocateur, he is an excellent director. He initially knew that this porridge would be all. How can I be against this girl, this noble girl? He wanted - she came.
O. DANILEVICH: You know, we had a lot of directors here, including those who said: “We must not forget that Nicholas II, before he became a saint, and before he became an emperor, was quite an ordinary person.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Our mothers, before they kissed our folders, kissed other dudes.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What are you talking about! That's impossible.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Neither can mine. But in general there is such a hooligan rumor. And if artists come to us and say: "You know, we want to make a film about this," we will say: "Don't, Lord, why talk about it? Let's start with the folder." There is a clearance level. Intelligence is not adverbial phrases in speech, it's not just a lady skipping ahead. Intelligence is the very approach to others, delicacy. He knew for sure that there would be a scandal. He knew that in any public institution there are many noisy people. Sometimes on the verge of inadequacy. It's not about Poklonskaya. By the way, she is appropriate.
O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with her personally?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I did not communicate with her. According to our mutual friends. She is a pious girl. A pious, beautiful, heroic girl, a symbol of what I love - "Russian Spring", which I never hide. I won’t keep a fig in my pocket in a hipster way, to be honest. I have an ax and a double-barreled shotgun. If necessary, we will defeat everyone.
O. DANILEVICH: Look, but here the question is that there was not even a premiere, and no one really knows yet how it will be. In this sense, the director should not try to express what he thinks.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, let him express it. I don't care for this story...
O. DANILEVICH: Forbid. Not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. What for to ban? This is stupidity from the start. She is not connected with Poklonskaya. And too much enthusiasm. It's like with "Pussy riot". The girls had to be spanked with a Vietnamese on their bare assholes, let go, and that's all - forgot, leave.
O. DANILEVICH: No trials, nothing.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Instead of carrying paper to the prosecutor's office on Forgiveness Sunday. It's weird in general. That is, on the one hand, it is not clear, and on the other. And in the same case. Yes, there is such an incorrectness in relation to believers, a misunderstanding why this culture of believers is needed, that it is so burdensome, and we are in Europe. We same not against, to in Europe. We like. We can't get rid of it. We are Russians ranging from Varangian to Chukchi. We all love: stroganina equally, and truffles too, no matter what. That is, we are omnivorous in this respect. We don't have conflict. But you have to be delicate. He was not delicate.
O. DANILEVICH: And how can one be delicate in this particular case?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Do not take this case. I don't want a movie made about my mother before marriage if she doesn't want to. Then, the religious element is also burdensome here, because for many people this happens the only alternative noose. Well, what to hide? Therefore, we will protect them. It is not necessary to touch this institution, just as one should not climb into someone else's family or peep in the toilet.
O. DANILEVICH: I also have a question about Kirill Serebrenikov, whose film was released and for some reason not like that ... He, in my opinion, was called "The Apprentice".
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Unfortunately, I didn't see it.
O. DANILEVICH: Pious and religious people should have much more questions about this picture.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I will explain simply. This is what we are. We are no different. We also have a church. That is, another additional tangle of relationships - family, friendly, lived life.
O. DANILEVICH: Society, state.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and an additional circle of friends. He is beautiful. Because we best years we have lived our lives in the midst of this circle. And this circle partly swallowed up several other circles.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is this normal or not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Fine. We have parishioners… guys from the Fomenko Theatre. They are not allowed in some kind of obscurantism ... These are lovely ladies from the Department of Justice, simple people, I don't know... handicapped. It has become a family over the years. I mean, you can't explain it. It looks like a goat nostra. There is an element, but not all. However, we also know that this is a small society. There are thousands of such small societies. And there is an add-on for this. And this is a public institution, in which there will always be, as in any public institution, scum, fools. But this is our internal family business. We'll fix it. We do not hold any evil. They scold us for building temples, if we take the church. Because every person in the church considers himself a member of the church. Why swear? I have been to Lapland. The kids sent me away to hang out with friends at home.
O. DANILEVICH: They sent us far away.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They seem to be the most far point were looking for. We are still going with Oksanka, and she says: “What a noble daughter Anfisa we have! She gave her entire first salary to pay for a hotel in Lapland.” I say, “Mother, are you out of your mind? They sent us where the finger was stuck. We weren't allowed to go any further." There is a real border with Norway. So what am I to? Everything is beautiful - nature, cities. People are good. But when you return to Russia, yes, we have something crooked, our own houses. Well, we are. Not to say that we are completely sedentary. Because we are settled within the boundaries of 1/6 of the Earth. That is, semi-settled. But golden domes stick out everywhere. And it pleases the eye. And something like this in my heart: “I came to Russia.”
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Take it easy.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: These are our golden paperclips.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: When you are abroad and when you see Orthodox Church you're so calm.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If you want, you don't want to.
O. DANILEVICH: Will you personally watch the Teacher's film?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I'll see.
O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, do you know that you will probably be offended somehow?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I will definitely be offended.
O. DANILEVICH: Why?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I'll take a look for reasons that I willy-nilly have to talk about him. It will be stupid after he comes out, when they ask me, I will say: "I am against it." - "Did you see?" - "I didn't see it." Sharikovshchina. Just because of this. So I wouldn't watch it.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if you like it, can you imagine?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: A double tragedy. What to do? In life, it happens that you fall in love with someone else's wife. And this is nothing but a tragedy.
O. DANILEVICH: Another news item I wanted to ask you about the DNR. You have a passport of the Donetsk People's Republic. You communicate with Alexander Zakharchenko, the head of the DNR. And Alexander Zakharchenko recently proposed the creation of a new state - Little Russia. I will quote him already: “A state with a non-bloc status, a course towards restoring ties with Russia and joining the Union State of Russia and Belarus.” In the Lugansk People's Republic, this initiative is not yet shared, as far as we understand. How do you feel about her?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In Lugansk they don't separate because they don't know the exact attitude of the Kremlin. Because it didn't work either. But the Kremlin, willy-nilly, is forced to vary, because it represents a vast territory, including us, our interests.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They said it was Zakharchenko's personal initiative.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes, yes. Zakharchenko and others like him, because he is actually surrounded by very intelligent people. Take the same Zakhar Prilepin. A lot of decent people Around him. What they say and demonize is bullshit. In fact, Zakharchenko is in circumstances - with shell-shocked grandmothers, with the guys ... We are driving, we are approaching Donetsk. 17-year-old guys, very strict, in tunics. And they have a curfew. Oksanka, as a mother, admired, says: "What bearing!". We looked at the documents. It is clear that they will go to college tomorrow. And it is clear that this is such a part as Israel ... Or do you remember "The Legend of Til Ulenspiegel", a film by Alov and Naumov? Don't remember? What are you, great movie! I'm sure it's better than Teacher's movie. Vivaldi. It was then that the understanding of Vivaldi came to society. In the still wild 1970s, Alov and Naumov were such heralds of high culture. There is a young (she is forever young, of course) wife of Alov - Belokhvostikova. In "Tehran-43" Belokhvostikov is played by his girlfriend, and Til Ulenspiegel himself is played by an Estonian actor. Unfortunately, he died not long ago.
O. DANILEVICH: We have gone far, let's return to Donetsk.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here's to Donetsk. And One Hundred Years of Solitude reminds me of that. The period when Colonel Buendia stood in the square. Also, Colonel Aureliano Buendia stood on the square after the telegram "It's raining in Macondo", Zakharchenko is also standing. And he needs to do something about it. Because Russia does not calve. You can understand why. Those crazy... It's ridiculous to even discuss them now.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you mean Kyiv?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. They mock their own people. There is surrealism. All clear. Well, they have already decided that they are independent, they are going to Europe.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you need Little Russia?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: We need it. Because chaos is about to begin. And this is just an application for a big gang ... Not a gang, but how to say ... For that conformity, which you can join in the beginning chaos.
O. DANILEVICH: But realistically how to evaluate these chances?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They are great.
O. DANILEVICH: Are they really big?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Great, yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Everyone is against it. All of Europe has already begun to shout: "What are you? What Little Russia?" Kyiv began to scream. Who will support?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You see, now Trump was praised and praised, and Obama was scolded and scolded. But Obama didn't sell lethal weapons, but Trump did. Now this lethal weapon will end up on the front lines of the DPR and LPR. And these are anti-tank missiles, this is already such a serious weapon.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: As in Syria, maybe?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, it won't happen in Syria. It will just be forced to move forward from the DPR and LPR. These are two Spartans. There, children already know how to handle machine guns, they already spend the night with machine guns. It has become habitual. For them, this is not a shock. And they will gladly occupy part of the territory if some kind of aggression appears. And against the backdrop of these drunks, drug addiction, chaos and theft of the Ukrainian army, these precedents will definitely be.
O. DANILEVICH: In order to create Little Russia (now it is very difficult to imagine how Kyiv would agree to this), there must obviously be some kind of sacrifice. I don't mean human sacrifice. What sacrifices can we or the DPR offer Kyiv, for example, in order for them to agree to the creation of Little Russia.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What are your suggestions?
O. DANILEVICH: Yes.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In terms of jurisprudence, or something so brutal?
O. DANILEVICH: Yes, in principle, what can we offer? What can the DNR and LNR offer?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think that if this process starts, it will be so spontaneous that it makes no sense to predict now. Because I have traveled to 300 Russian cities. It was called Spiritual Conversations. But really, the conversation is simple. Answers on questions. I thought they would ask about television. Nifiga. They are not interested in cinema. Everyone has internet. You don't need it all. For life: to forgive - not to forgive, to return - not to return, to be baptized - not to be baptized.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Leave your wife or not.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I want to tell you, yes, including. We have very good people. Very adequate. Apparently the stress is taking its toll. Because very sane. And they are 99% rigidly supportive of everything connected with Novorossiya. That is, for them it is a matter of principle, which added meaning to their lives, often missing in provincial towns deprived of city-forming enterprises.
O. DANILEVICH: Look, in 2011 you tried to run for president. In 2018, the presidential elections are again. You say that the Kremlin is not listening yet. At the same time, you yourself think that you need to create Little Russia. Maybe it's time to run for president again, Ivan?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There is no point now. Administratively... Well, I don't know. If Uncle Comes...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And why the uncle? You are so independent.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With five suitcases of money. To come, he said: "Here's your papers, here's the pay for the headquarters, here's this, and you'll fight Putin for the first two rounds, and then you'll be embarrassed." Not a question at all.
O. DANILEVICH: And if they bring a suitcase from the State Department?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: From the State Department? Then I will run after them for some time with a Fabarm pump-action shotgun. And I’ll also take an ax with me (I was talking about an ax) with Celtic runes.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Let's talk about weapons after the news at 13.00.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 30. NEWS
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We continue. Olga Danilevich.
O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva. And our guest is an actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest, temporarily suspended from service, but of his own free will, Ivan Okhlobystin. We ended the first half hour by talking about the presidency. You said, that…
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We are ready for 2 rounds for a suitcase of money, and then lose.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And then - I ask you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are a healthy person, I see. I liked everything, how you went back and forth and swam. I am also athletic, I am healthy. We will support you. Go.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Why crowd healthy person. That's a big worry. It means losing your privacy. I could go for it, and probably I would go for it. I would be a pretty tough dude, because I would start by canceling Article 13, which does not allow you to create a single ... Well, nonsense. This hour is not enough, in short. And 15th - priority international law over ours. Ravings of a madman. This is not the case in other European constitutions. That is, this is some kind of bondage introduced (when there?) In 1991. Was the last edition of the Constitution. It needs to be changed.
O. DANILEVICH: The constitution was changed when it was about the term of the presidency.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There for 6 years. By the way… I literally just a few months… I even wrote an article in "Russia Today" (I write there periodically): "Thanks to the State Duma. Someone there is listening to me. Or they are subscribed to Twitter." Whatever you offer, everyone accepts. 6 years accepted. I read the doctrine in Luzhniki. And Vladimir Vladimirovich came. How to test the site. And some recent legislative initiatives…
O. DANILEVICH: So talk about Little Russia. I'm sorry I interrupted.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I applied a hundred times. This is necessary by the method ... as water wears away a stone. It should be "boo-boo, boo-boo." Why am I talking about people? People support it. Because they understand that ordinary people suffer there. You won't do anything. Already diplomatic coquetry does not help, they spit in our faces. Already the Americans ... They got tangled up in their papers. Who is more important, why is the president... Some kind of nonsense begins. We are already tired of dealing with it. And we don’t take Ukraine, again, because it’s impossible to explore it yet. Europe is horrified by emigrants, but continues to flirt. Although I really know what is happening in France, let's say in Lyon. My friend lives. I know what is happening in Stuttgart, Germany. There are very big problems with migrants. The population tensed up like electricity. The most part of them. So far, the Democrats (the liberal component) are still holding this wave, so far they are holding it. But this is all before time.
O. DANILEVICH: But you are a well-known monarchist, aren't you?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Can your views change? If so, what should happen? That is, somehow Russia can grow in order to stop being a monarchy, or can it not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: German Sadulaev has great article that Russia has grown into a monarchy. This is true. In fact, the style of government that the monarchy is not quite what can now cope with modernity, with modern life. When I say the word "monarchist", I put into it the meaning of the personal factor. On the scale of our country, in the variety of preserved cultures ... We managed it better than the Americans. Every culture has its own identity anyway. And yet all together. All distances, spaces, all givens. You can't count on a strict formal directive. You need a personality factor to quickly resolve this. It's like a whale swimming. And willy-nilly, he touches something with his tail. And this is the story with our country… But if the community manages the whale, the whale will swim much more restlessly. That is, there is always a need for a personal factor. Russia is a big organism. A thousand years ago, everything was said about it. These are the ideas of the Third Rome, the symphony of state and power. There is nothing slavish, servile in this. There is simply a correct understanding and attitude of how to treat power. The authorities must protect our interests and serve us. That is, in principle, those who serve us, and not vice versa.
O. DANILEVICH: We need to serve a little to the listeners who have been writing to us since the first half hour. +79258888948 is the number for SMS messages. Telegram @govoritmskbot, Twitter govoritmsk. Count Koshkin asks you to ask about your attitude to today's church and its fallen authority.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: He remembers the hours of the patriarch.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Do you know how? I love the past patriarch very much. I treat him like a saint. We go to Yelokhovsky to put flowers there. That is, we continue to communicate with him. I treat Kirill with understanding, because I communicated with him when I worked in ... I had personal communication. He is a wonderful administrator, he is a pious person, he is a believer. He probably has some hard notes. Yes, he most likely has a gold watch. But this is nonsense - to demand that he go with electronic "Casio Montana" with 13 melodies for 5 rubles. This is some nonsense...
O. DANILEVICH: Without it at all?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He needs to know. The general must not think of a copy. He must think about how to keep a platoon of soldiers alive. It's very subtle here... It's a huge public institution. At the moment, one of the most stable public institutions in the state. A lot of them. different communities. And this is the biggest community. What else? There is no other.
O. DANILEVICH: When you have not yet temporarily abandoned the ministry, you would have been presented with a Maybach. What would you do with it?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would go. Great car.
O. DANILEVICH: You wouldn't sell it and donate it somewhere. Wouldn't they do something like that?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't know. At first, it only seems that you can sell and give to charity.
O. DANILEVICH: Well, orphanage give, for example.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In order to quickly sell the Maybach, you need to double the price down. Because this is crazy - Maybach, if you are not the owner of an oil company or vice-premier. Contain... it's just an accident maybe. In addition to the fact that there is still a need for a driver. So don't travel. That is, it is an additional staff to recruit. Then when to sell it, it's a long time. While it's a long time, sell at half price and then...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In general, it's easier to take it - and ride.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Ride, yes. Roll the same children. Throw them on the tree.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, you talked a little about weapons. We know you have a mini weapon collection.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It's hard to name it. It's simple…
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: How much? Three things.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Five. How much they gave, I took so much. I need to redo everything now. Now the time has come when you need to deal with the papers. Slightly changes. The accounting departments have been transferred under the "Rosgvardia", and the paperwork is being reorganized, this is a whole worry, but we need to deal with it.
O. DANILEVICH: You are also a member of the Union of Hunters and Fishermen.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Willy-nilly, because I have a weapon. But in general, I don't want to shoot animals.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did you do spearfishing? Did you catch a pike?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Pike - no. But once I had a funny experience and I didn't like it.
O. DANILEVICH: In general, by the way, are you in favor of allowing weapons in Russia?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: For permission, of course. Everyone must protect themselves. If a hooligan understands that in response to his hooliganism there may be a tough answer ... the only thing is that people need to be trained.
O. DANILEVICH: And how to substitute the right and left cheeks?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: When I went out onto the tatami, I slapped myself on the left cheek - the question is removed. Do you understand? When your family is in danger or Yevsyukov is aiming for a child's head, you have one option. You won't be able to run. Snatch, shoot, and God forbid, to hit him in the head to save the child.
O. DANILEVICH: And God, who should watch over this...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: God owes nothing. God gave us life and gave us what we asked for… He understood us. We would love to be free. Every restriction torments us. We do not understand what this pleasure can ... as with the posts, the same theme. But, nevertheless, God loves us so much that he even allows us to do things against his establishment. Full will. And this is within the boundaries of our understanding of communication with weapons. I am for.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We know that you always carried a knife in your pocket as a child. Did your dad teach you that?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Dad, yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you still wear it?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Now I didn't take it, because it's on the radio. It will just ring.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On roller skates.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And I'm on roller skates... Why do I take a knife? Not for a crime, but in order, firstly, to peel an apple, cut it off, if the car turned over somewhere, cut off the seat belt, pull the person out. By the way, I had such a situation. Cut off the rod. I have boys in my family.
O. DANILEVICH: Two. Four girls.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Two boys. The boys must. The archetype of the father is a father-man with a muscle, a knife, everything is as it should be.
O. DANILEVICH: By the way, about the muscle. It wasn't always like that. Ivan Okhlobystin was not always such a jock as he is now.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And why did you become a jock? You are very skinny...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I ate too much, listen. I have no choice.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is not for any role? Is it just a coincidence?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I can't be a dude. I have people in the family burly, strong. There are two options - I can be soft like a sugar loaf. And the second option is like this. Nothing to do about. And then, life forces. The girls say: "Dad, something needs to be done with the belly."
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Are they forced to work the press?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Friends will come, it is inconvenient for us to show you, you do not look like a wolverine. Ugh.
O. DANILEVICH: I see that children in general modernize everything in such a way. As for modernity, here Larisa asks: "Do you think it is worth reacting online to the attacks of haters and trolls? Or is it better to remain silent?"
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think - keep silent. They require attention. This is the point. It's like the movie Teacher. Initially, he laid a PR company there. Very good. Now everyone will have a look. By different reasons. I brought one of them. Just make a checkout on this. Not good.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Are you also silent, or do you answer something on the same Twitter?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I stopped communicating on Twitter altogether. Because for some reason, short messages are all for themselves ... this whole dirt has taken. That is, it is necessary to squander a lot, a lot. And the Ukrainian side is represented. Khokhlosrach. Even Pelevin already has this in his book. Tin in general. And I don't want to fight. In VK, I still have the opportunity to moderate a part, because I am subscribed to communities that I like. It's the same on Instagram. Everyone knows that I love photography. And that I use VK as a family photo album, and where to show off - a beautiful sunset, video "the first lilies of the valley." From the most brutal to the most muslin.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Mi-mi-mi.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Why didn't I see photos of your, as far as I understand, close friends on your Instagram? And close friends I call Mikhail Efremov, who himself calls himself your close friend. Garik Sukachev, who also calls. And Dmitry Kharatyan, it seems. You have some kind of four.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The home album does not imply that you will tell. You never know.
O. DANILEVICH: Does this mean that in fact you are not so close friends with them? Not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: How close are we with them? We are close friends within the borders, how close friends are. But they don't live in my house. I mean, that would be weird. They can stay after the evening at my house. But in such a way as to live - no.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you drink?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Sometimes, yes.
O. DANILEVICH: What do you drink?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I suddenly came to the conclusion that I like porto. Came back to where I started. I like that you can sip it.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Good old port.
O. DANILEVICH: And the wine?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't like it. Some hard drinks too. It happens according to the situation too. But I can't recall such a situation at the moment.
O. DANILEVICH: Can you afford to get drunk right now?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: To what extent? To be caught?
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That you don't remember anything the next morning.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not good. Worse if you remember. Is it to be caught and put to sleep with electric shock?
O. DANILEVICH: Uh-huh.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, I can’t afford it yet, because after all…
O. DANILEVICH: But would you like to?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Chaos sometimes calls. Sometimes you think: damn it, I need to pay for it, go there, do it, refuse it, say yes, I want to say no, I have to say yes. And you - "Oh, dear mother."
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What questions are tearing you apart now? Is there such a thing?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mostly economic. I need to… buy, I need to reissue… I was away from the shoot for a long time… all sorts of documents. I have boring worries now.
O. DANILEVICH: Are you currently filming?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't want to act in film yet.
O. DANILEVICH: Why?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It seems to me, again, out of respect for those people who treated me well. And I speak in such a way that the boys will not understand me in any nonsense. 51 years already.
O. DANILEVICH: And what do you want?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Now I have starred in a film about the father of a dtspshnik boy. Before that, I starred in the film "The Fugitive". I think that if everything goes well, maybe this will be my final work. I hope so.
E. ZVYAGINTSEV: Wait. That's all, we won't see Ivan Okhlobystin in the movies after this?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't know. But I really want to be able to do this.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you want to go into the ministry?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: First, I want to know that I have been forgotten. I'll pee for a while for a few years, and then - yes, of course, the ministry. This is the sweetest part of life.
O. DANILEVICH: Are you sure that you are with your own, excuse me, maybe I misunderstand you, but with your temperament, with this tearing, that you can really go only into service and not engage in parallel ...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I like to write more. I've always been more of a screenwriter. And now I have released one book - "The Song of the Constellation of the Hounds of the Dogs", before that the fairy tale "XIV principle" was published, before that the journalistic almanacs - "Dark Album", after that in September there will be - "Magnificus II", in October - "Magnificus III ". These are also fairy tales.
O. DANILEVICH: When everything calms down, will you calm down, where would you like to live?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I feel comfortable everywhere. In general, I like this more rural history.
O. DANILEVICH: Village in the Moscow region or village ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In Lapland.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, I would not want to go abroad for various reasons.
O. DANILEVICH: Somewhere in the south of Russia or in Siberia, maybe.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Somewhere in the environment ... I'm Ryazan-Oka, in principle. Therefore, it will be comfortable for me, most likely, in my native places.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, in your childhood, your grandmother brought you up the most?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Grandmother and great-grandmother. I generally...
O. DANILEVICH: What was your childhood like?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Excellent. It was a fairy tale. Little chubby, always smiling grandmother Maria and strict, with a straight back, Sofya Filippovna. She was such a pillar noblewoman and carried it through her whole life.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you remember your father?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I remember it well.
O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with your father after your parents separated?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But raids. He took me away on Sunday for some time, then they gave me away for the summer. And then he walked with Cherkasov. They went to boarding houses to shoot girls and gave me a load.
O. DANILEVICH: Just in case. Just in case someone doesn't know. Ivan Okhlobystin's father married Ivan Okhlobystin's mother when his father was 62 and his mother was 19. How did he take her?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Number 19. He went out 19 times with strength on the horizontal bar. He just crunched. He physically...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Was it powerful?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The Wolverine smokes nervously in general. First, he was a hero of heroes. Secondly, he was brilliant... As far as the idea of aristocracy is possible, I remember right now... to draw some kind of analogy with "War and Peace". God is with us. In addition to the fact that he physically looked great, he was savvy, he was friends with Salvador Dali.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Seriously? Was he friends with Salvador Dali?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, he has a whole story.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And he told you this?
O. DANILEVICH: How did they intersect at all?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He performed the operation on Galya. He's a military surgeon. And after the war ended, he began to head all sorts of rehabilitation centers. He worked almost to the end. He was always luxurious in terms of presentation - a charismatic with zeros. He got married for the first time, came to Odessa, was a temporary commandant before Zhukov's arrival, brought a German varnished car with him, and traveled with music, with a gramophone. Then he married the dark-haired beauty Anastasia Zorich. Chief Editor some progressive magazine.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did he tell you everything about who he was married to?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: My brothers and sisters. We have such a "Game of Thrones" there. And at the end of life ... You know how? When the publisher of the newspapers of the first French edition, where Richelieu wrote under a pseudonym, died, he died in wild poverty. And about him one of the greats (I don’t remember who - not Balzac, but someone of that level) wrote: "He died a beggar, as all geniuses should die."
O. DANILEVICH: Would you also like to be a beggar someday?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would like to, as a father, too. He failed with his family. This is a tragedy. But he shook it Spanish War, then the second World War then Korea. And after that... It didn't work out. It would be excusable for him, as it is excusable for no one, since he was a superhero hero. He saved a huge number of lives. My brother has a photo at home. Here is the battlefield. The Germans are running with bayonets at the ready. Ours are running with bayonets at the ready. In the middle of the field. There is a half-dumped tent. Dirt. In the foreground, one ... without a boot, one in a boot, the dead legs of a nurse. The operating table is mobile. God. The patient is on the table. Dad in mask off. There is a massacre going on nearby. And he's operating on some dude. That is how he lived. But, unfortunately, he did not succeed with his family.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But, look, you did it with your family. You always talk so warmly and reverently about Oksana. "I looked at her in a restaurant - I realized that I was marrying this woman." Seen for the first time. "I'll have seven children," you said, "a washing machine and a tendency to hypertension." Look, you probably have a washing machine. Tendency to hypertension?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It must be. Sooner or later it will catch me.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Look, there are seven children - now there are six.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: But we are young people and drinkers, so...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What do you think about the seventh child? When?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to. I miss. When they bring a stroller past me, the one that smells like a mixture of milk and pussies, this cutie ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Nice smell.
O. DANILEVICH: You personally got up at night to pump ...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course, I was forced to. Of course. There are periods in real life big family where everyone has to work, otherwise you will just die.
O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, you once said in an interview that when you were left alone with your children for the first or second time, did you want to take a shotgun?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I had thoughts. But then I got my bearings. No, when they leave me at a certain moment, I begin to be weary and admire ...
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: After how many minutes do you start to feel burdened?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I am strong. In a few hours. I'm holding on at all. I'm a jock. And psychologically, I am very… I can conduct all sorts of trainings among them.
O. DANILEVICH: Speaking of dad, you said that he died in poverty. What is so important...
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He is not in poverty. He is in austerity.
O. DANILEVICH: What kind of material life have you amassed that much? Is there something like that?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, average statistically. As we were Tushino punks, we remained. My dad also said: "That apartment is good, from which you can leave without looking back."
O. DANILEVICH: What was the biggest fee you were paid for a tape, for a script, for filming, for anything?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 20 million.
O. DANILEVICH: Was it a long time ago?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: A long time ago.
O. DANILEVICH: These are not "Interns"?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: On "Interns", yes.
O. DANILEVICH: Where did you spend the money, if it's not a secret?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I distributed debts. And the rest said that they would wait. This is actually a joke. I really distributed a lot of debts, for small things ... We have a huge company. Someone always needs.
O. DANILEVICH: This is to the fact that you still have not bought a house for yourself. This is why I am asking.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, yes.
O. DANILEVICH: That is, you gave out, lent, but did not buy a house for yourself?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But if now I have some kind of financial problem, it will still be hard for me to look for this amount. I will be part of the credit in the bank. But if something does not work out, then you have to contact your friends. I'm sure we'll get it all. Because here, you know, like at the fiftieth anniversary - everyone should come and speak. And it should be free. And it is also accepted in our company that we help each other.
O. DANILEVICH: How many eldest daughter years?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 22.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And she spent her first salary on you.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Both the second and the third.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On you.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. And they walked for three days, while we fed mosquitoes in the North. We walked around, were not shy at all, posted pictures on Instagram. Well, let them walk. Youth.
O. DANILEVICH: Do you want grandchildren or not?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to.
O. DANILEVICH: As long as you are a grandfather and think that you are no longer the same.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't care. Anyway - the one, not the one. Grandchildren are cool. This is a reproduction. This is the main thing. Girls, do not think, take water polo players - beautiful, tall. Our children will be tall and healthy. Check medical records so that there are no fools and diabetics. And water polo players. And the fact that they are smart - but what for are you smart? You yourself are smart. The main thing is that you are loved.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why water polo players? Maybe the players?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And they are three-meter horses.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And the basketball players?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They are also good.
O. DANILEVICH: But water polo players are better.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In general, athletes are good.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Ivan, we only have a rubric left: 5 questions - 5 answers as quickly as possible. The same questions for all guests always. What did you hide from your mom? First question.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What did I once hide from my mother? I spilled nail polish remover on the sideboard I bought. I hurt her because we lived in a room in a communal apartment. And pretty poor. For her, it was a purchase.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: The second question: with which blonde would you cheat on your wife?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No way. Are you out of your mind? It's the same thing, just a side view. Who cares?
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: The biggest mistake in life?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The biggest mistake in life? I don't know, by the way. I was once asked: if there was an opportunity to change something - God forbid. Then we wouldn't be talking to you.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Whom would you ask for forgiveness?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Probably, there are such people. It just needs to be listed now. And so that it was interesting and bright at once - it's not very decent.
O. DANILEVICH: How many people are on the list?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There should be a lot. We must remember from childhood. different situations. It happened in passing. And man is the image of God. Therefore, we must be very sensitive to this. We must protect people.
O. DANILEVICH: The last one. I'm afraid that in your case it may be very complex issue. Who is your best friend?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Oksanka, of course.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You see, it is easy to answer the question when the best friend is the wife.
O. DANILEVICH: When Vadim Demchog was visiting us, he spoke very warmly about you and confessed his love to you on the air several times and called you exclusively Vanechka. Are there many people who call you Vanechka?
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mom calls me Vanya. Troitsky calls me Vanechka. There is. What is not?
O. DANILEVICH: Thank you.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Thank you very much for taking the time.
O. DANILEVICH: Ivan Okhlobystin.
I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If there are no good suitors... if there are.
E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Olga Danilevich.
O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva.
E. ZVYAGINTSEV: We'll hear from you in a week. Bye.
